Some Alternatives to Church-State Separation

by Michael Buckner

  
Brevard County (Florida) Christian Coalition

"Pluralism is defined as each person having an equal voice in a democratic process. This has become the battle cry of Ralph Reed: 'All we want is equal time!' But most politically active Christians don't want equal time with homosexuals, abortionists, animal worshipping pagans, witches, radical feminists and pornographers. We want them silenced and mercifully disciplined according to the Word of God." – Jay Rogers, "A Book Review: Politically Incorrect by Ralph Reed"

The Chalcedon Foundation

"Deuteronomy 13 cites three cases of instigation to idolatry, first, in vv. 1-5, by the false prophet; second, in vv. 6-11, by a private individual; and, third, by a city, vv. 12-18. The penalty in every case is death without mercy. To the modern mind, this seems drastic. Why death for idolatry? If idolatry is unimportant to a man, then a penalty for it is outrageous. But modern man thinks nothing of death penalties for crimes against the state, or against the 'people,' or against 'the revolution,' because these things are important to him. The death penalty is not required here for private belief: it is for attempts to subvert others and to subvert the social order by enticing others to idolatry. Because for Biblical law the foundation is the one true God, the central offense is therefore treason to that God by idolatry. Every law-order has its concept of treason. No law-order can permit an attack on its foundations without committing suicide. Those states which claim to abolish the death penalty still retain it on the whole for crimes against the state. The foundations of a law-order must be protected....

Basic to the health of a society is the integrity of its foundation. To allow tampering with its foundation is to allow its total subversion. Biblical law can no more permit the propagation of idolatry than Marxism can permit counter-revolution, or monarchy a move to execute the king, or a republic an attempt to destroy the republic and create a dictatorship.

It should be noted that Deuteronomy 13:5-18 does not call for the death penalty for unbelief or heresy. It condemns false prophets (vv. 1-5) who seek to lead the people, with signs and wonders, into idolatry. It does condemn individuals who secretly try to start a movement into idolatry (vv. 6-11). It does condemn cities which establish another religion and subvert the law-order of the nation (vv. 13-18), and this condemnation must be enforced by man to turn away the judgment of God (v. 17)." – R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law, (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), pp. 38-39.

"Deuteronomy 13 is not a popular chapter of Scripture. Several ministers have expressed to me their hostility to Biblical law by citing Deuteronomy 13; or 17:2-7 (or, Ex. 22:20); going back to Biblical law, they declare, means going back to burning heretics. Do I want that?....It is important to face this issue squarely. Either the whole of Scripture is defensible, or it is not....[I]t is important to note that it is not heresy which is condemned but idolatry. There is an important difference. Heresy is wrong thinking about the word of God, but it is not idolatry....The Bible requires us to separate ourselves from a heretic (Titus 3:10; cf. Acts 24:14; I Cor. 11:19; Gal. 5:20; II Peter 2:1), but it does not go beyond that....All who are content with a humanistic law system and do not strive to replace it with Biblical law are guilty of idolatry. They have forsaken the covenant of their God, and they are asking us to serve other gods. They are thus idolaters, and are, in our generation, when our world is idolatrous and our states also, to be objects of missionary activity....Only as God's law is made the practice of men can it become the practice of nations....Scripture emphatically requires us to reject both the earlier and the present law systems in favor of a rigorously Biblical, covenantal law structure." – R.J. Rushdoony, "Idolatry and the Law," Law and Society: Volume II of The Institutes of Biblical Law, (Vallecito, CA: Ross House Books, 1982). pp. 466-469.

"Those who consider death as a horrible punishment here must realize that in such a case as described in Deuteronomy 21:18-21, 'death' is inescapable. Contempt of parental authority, if left unchecked, is the death of the family, law, and order. The question then is: Who or what should die? The rebel, or family and society? Furthermore, the life of a rebel inevitably leads to the grave (sheol; cf.Pr. 30:17); he will die an early death, and probably take others with him. Finally, God himself declares that even if such a rebel against parental authority escapes the judgment of man, his curse is upon that man and he shall be cut off (Dt. 27:16; Pr. 30:17). Therefore, the execution of the rebel in view is just, merciful, and preventive. Just, in that the transgressor deserves to die; merciful, in that his quick death prevents the destruction of the family, society, and others; preventive, in that it strikes fear in the heart of other would-be rebels and restrains them from taking a similar ruinous course." – Rev. William Einwechter, "Modern Issues in Biblical Perspective: Stoning Disobedient Children", The Chalcedon Report, January 1999

The Constitution Party
(formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party)

"I wish to express my appreciation to the organizers of this event for including me among the speakers. I have never received an honor greater than that of being placed among the associates of Dr. Rousas J. Rushdoony, the most influential man of the 21st Century....

My own mind and heart resonates with hundreds of lessons I have learned for more than twenty years of reading Dr. Rushdoony's analyses and listening to his sermons, those delivered from the pulpit as well as those expounded 'From the Easy Chair': the comprehensive applicability and relevance of the Bible as God's law word, the nature of lordship and sovereignty, the proper limited role of civil government, the confidence in God's victory which is the inescapable concomitant of a true understanding of His word and the corollary implications of the dominion mandate, as it guides our planning and belief.

Dr. Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law and his other books have yielded historic changes in the thinking of countless leaders and followers alike, even many who have not heard his name let alone studied his work...." – Howard Phillips, Constitution Party 2000 Presidential nominee, "Remarks of Howard Phillips, Eightieth Birthday of Dr. R.J. Rushdoony, April 28, 1996," formerly posted on the U.S. Taxpayers Party website. See above for excerpts from Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law.

Covenant Media Foundation

"CT. Looking now at some specifics of the law, perhaps people find it easier to accept the death penalty for murder and rape, and certain other crimes, but then Scripture seems to teach that the death penalty applies to idolatry – for example, Ex. 22:20, besides other places. How would you see that law's application today?

GLB. ....My own conviction at this point (I am teachable and may change my mind with correction that comes) is that the civil society has a right to protect its fundamental authority. When someone comes and proselytizes for another god or another final authority (and by the way, that god may be man) – when some one tries to undermine the commitment to Jehovah which is fundamental to the civil order of a godly state – then that person needs to be restrained by the magistrate. However, this does not mean that individuals should be punished for holding heretical views, the views that Baptists think are heretical or Lutherans think are heretical and so forth. It simply means that those who will not acknowledge Jehovah as the ultimate authority behind the civil law code which the magistrate is enforcing would be punished and repressed. You would, therefore, be open, I believe, to hold Muslim views or Hindu views in the privacy of your home, provided it was not a Christian home that you've now come into to subvert and draw away from Jehovah. You would be able to hold these views as a private conviction. But you would not be allowed to proselytize and undermine the order of the state.

Before people who are non-theonomists get too terribly upset about this view, I would at least ask them to reflect on this fact: every civil order protects its foundations. In the United States you are allowed to do anything except foment rebellion or revolution against the government. For instance, a public school teacher would be permitted to hold all sorts of views which might be controversial or radical, but that teacher may not encourage students to go out and engage in revolution. Every civil order has some such final point beyond which you cannot push. What we are saying as Christians is, that point ought to be that you don't dispute the authority of Jehovah publicly and call people to follow other gods." – "An Interview with Greg L. Bahnsen"


Bob Enyart Live
and ShadowGov.com

"Monarchy is the best form of Government and a system inspired by God. Jesus was not called the 'Senator of senators,' He was called the 'King of Kings.'" – Bob Enyart, "Quotes (on Government)"

"Homos do not deserve equal rights. The only rights homos should have is the right to a fair and speedy trial." – Bob Enyart, "Quotes (on Homosexuals)"

"The government of the United States of America no longer knows right from wrong. ShadowGov trains men to properly fill various roles in government. We prepare these men to influence or direct government once given the opportunity. To this end, we are recruiting a shadow government that operates like a fantasy football league. Instead of designing duplicate teams and leagues, we replicate government offices and functions. The Shadow Government responds to actual current events, including crimes and international incidents. For example, judges conduct trials of actual accused criminals within their jurisdictions, give verdicts and declare sentences within the guidelines of America's new Constitution and Criminal Code." ShadowGov.com Mission Statement

"As ruler and defender of America, the King is the supreme judge in the land. The armed forces serve at his command, as do all subdivisions of government. The King will uphold this Constitution and protect America’s sovereignty." – from "The Constitution of America", ShadowGov.com

The Forerunner

"FR: Ever since the deaths of two abortionists this year, many Christians are asking questions about the use of violence. According to the Bible, is it ever right to use deadly force in defense of life? Should the Church take a stand against violence in all circumstances?

Andrew Sandlin: It is not within the jurisdiction of the Church to execute violence even against violent offenders who violate the law of God. Pro-life groups such as Operation Rescue should never do so as a Church related organization. However, personal responsibility is a separate issue. This is a separate issue from whether the Church should employ violence. For instance, let's say that someone breaks into a family's home and is attempting to either molest or kill the wife or children. It is biblically justified that you should try to prevent that from happening and, if necessary, to kill the person attempting to do so.

Now the question we have to ask is: If abortion is the wanton taking of human life and we would defend life violently in one case, would we not defend life violently in the other? I'm not saying that we should employ violence, but clearly it is something that cannot be ruled out from the beginning of the discussion. If we really believe that the fetus is indeed a child and it is being destroyed, then is it contrary to the law of God to use violence to protect it? I realize that this may seem to open the door to all sorts of radicalism, but it is something that we need to think about. This is a separate issue from the Church wielding the sword. The Church may not, in fact, use violence to enforce the decrees of God." – from "Is Violence Justified in Defending Life?", an interview with Andrew Sandlin, which was formerly posted on the web site of The Forerunner.

The Institute for Christian Economics

"Everyone talks about religious liberty, but no one believes it. So let us be blunt about it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political, and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God. " – Gary North, "The Intellectual Schizophrenia of the New Christian Right", The Failure of the American Baptist Culture, p. 25

"The potential victims in this case are the unborn infants whose lives are sacrificed on the altar of convenience. Because they are incapable of speaking on their own behalf, God empowers their fathers to speak for them, or in cases where a father remains silent, God empowers the civil government to speak for them: first to prohibit abortion, and second to impose the death penalty on all those who are involved with abortion, either as murderers (mothers) or as their paid accomplices (physicians, nurses, office receptionists, and so forth)." – Gary North, Tools of Dominion, p. 384

"The law that requires the death penalty for homosexual acts effectually drives the perversion of homosexuality underground, back to the closet, to the dark realm of shameful activity." – Gary DeMar, Ruler of the Nations, p. 212

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ – to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less." – George Grant, The Changing of the Guard, pp. 50-51

Islam Questions & Answers

"Q. I am currently in a philosophy of religion class and my teacher is an atheist. He claims that under an Islamic state if a born Muslim converts to another religion he is killed. Please tell me if this is true.

A. ....The person who knows the truth and believes in it, then turns his back on it, does not deserve to live. The punishment for apostasy is prescribed for the protection of the religion and as a deterrent to anyone who is thinking of leaving Islaam. There is no doubt that such a serious crime must be met with an equally weighty punishment. If the kuffaar do not give people the freedom to cross a red light, how can we give freedom to people to leave Islaam and disbelieve in Allaah when they want to?" – Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, "Punishment of the one who leaves Islaam"

MELVIG
(Melchizedek Vigilance)

"We were called to take dominion and subdue the Earth for God's glory. If we hope to become the world leaders of tommorow we must define our goals, plan and take action. This is our duty, our purpose, and challenge to the Caucasian people of the world." – "Defining Our Purpose: Without a Vision, We Perish", main page of the MELVIG web site

"....[T]he following crimes are among those judged by God to be capital offenses:
  1. Murder
  2. Rape
  3. Homosexuality (i.e. sodomy, etc.)
  4. Adultery
  5. Perjury in a trial involving a capital penalty
  6. Kidnapping
  7. Criminal negligence, costing someone's life
  8. Impersonating a man of God
  9. Abusing parents
  10. Habitual law breaking or refusal to comply with a court's judgment
  11. Fornication
  12. Incest
  13. Sabbath breaking
  14. Blasphemy
  15. Teaching any religion, but Christianity
  16. Witchcraft, fortune telling, and demon worship
....But our modern-day intellectual geniuses think they are more knowledgeable than God. It is either that or they are simply calling God a liar when they tell us capital punishment is unjust, unmerciful, barbaric, and not a deterrent to criminal behavior. To call the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob a barbaric God, or unjust and unmerciful God, is nothing less than blasphemy, which also carries the death penalty....We that understand the national message of the Bible know that God's Law will become the law of our land, and we know that we Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and kindred peoples are the literal descendants of Abraham and heirs of the covenants, and as such our light shall shine." – Pastor Bob Hallstrom, "Godly Answers to America's Crime"

The National Reform Association

"The mission of the National Reform Association is to maintain and promote in our national life the Christian principles of civil government, which include, but are not limited to, the following:
  1. Jesus Christ is Lord in all aspects of life, including civil government. Jesus Christ is, therefore, the Ruler of Nations, and should be explicitly confessed as such in any constitutional documents.
  2. The civil ruler is to be a servant of God, he derives his authority from God and he is duty-bound to govern according to the expressed will of God.
  3. The civil government of our nation, its laws, institutions, and practices must therefore be conformed to the principles of Biblical law as revealed in the Old and New Testaments."
"Purpose and Mission Statement of the National Reform Association"

Reformed Witness
(Southfield [MI] Reformed Presbyterian Church)

"In a Christian nation people are not forced to go to church or to believe in Christ, but, the open practice of idolatry is forbidden. It is a capital offense (Dt. 17:2-7). The Bible never accepts the modern concept of neutrality toward religion for the simple reason that neutrality is impossible. A Christian nation which allows public idolatry and blasphemy is on the road toward social suicide and judgment." – Brian M. Schwertley, "Political Polytheism"

The Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen
(Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae)

"…[C]an man be said to have the “right” to worship God in any manner he wishes? Can man be said to have the “right” to freely promote false teachings on religious matters in society and to spread promiscuously all manner of erroneous doctrines? Can man be said to possess the “right” — the moral power — to teach and proselytize the doctrines of Atheism, Agnosticism, Pantheism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Protestantism? What about those who practice witchcraft or Satanism? Let us especially consider this in regard to Catholic countries where the religion of the country is Catholicism. Would Catholic governments be obliged to grant the “right” in civil law to propagate all forms of religion? Would Catholic governments be obliged to allow by civil right the spread of all manner of doctrines held by various religions?….[E]rror and false religions cannot be the object of a natural right. (By natural is meant in nature, God-given!) When societies grant promiscuously the right to freedom of all religions, the natural outcome is religious indifferentism — the false notion that one religion is as good as another….From these papal teachings, it is obvious that Catholic governments would be obligated to legislate against the promiscuous 'right' of all religions to spread their errors in a Catholic society." – "The Doctrinal Errors of Dignitatis Humanae", Pastoral Letter by Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI

The Second American Revolution

"In a biblical society, cults, or people who do not hold to a bare minimum orthodoxy, can hold their faith. They can teach their children their faith. But as far as public worship, the Bible does seem to forbid public worship that is contrary to Christian worship....We certainly cannot permit the public proselytizing of religions that are going to undermine our religious faith and also the state itself." – "An Interview with Andrew Sandlin"

The Society for the Practical Establishment and Perpetuation of the TEN COMMANDMENTS

"Do government officials and those who hold public trust truly know what they take an oath of office to do when they take the oath to uphold and defend the manmade constitution of the United States? And do blind patriots know what it truly means to faithfully abide by the spirit of such a manmade constitution? To uphold and defend the constitution and its Bill of Rights is to defend principles that are the governing principles of the kingdom of Satan. Any law that is antithetical to the TEN COMMANDMENTS is always satanic. " – Robert T. Lee, "Introduction"

"The present world's population of people is said to be nearly 6 billion. It is expected to rise to 8.9 billion by 2030, and reach 10 to 14 billion by 2050....[M]ost of the ways proposed and being tried to control the human population is blindness, foolishness, immoral and thus infringes upon the God-given rights of the weakest and most innocent of the human community. There is a better and more sane way to control the human population without allowing immorality, without doing injustice to anyone and while not seeking to discourage pronatalist views among the human population....[T]he way to control the population growth is through the increase of the human mortality rate by legitimate means. Not through the crimes of abortions, infanticide, euthanasia and etc; but through the automatic DEATH PENALTY for the broad spectrum of deeds that are high crimes in the sight of the true GOD....blasphemy against the true God; idolatry; breaking the Lord's day; dishonor to parents; murder; adultery; incest; homosexuality; bestiality; rape; kidnapping; seeking to destroy the righteous; putting to death the innocent (such as putting innocent embryos and fetuses to death in abortions); seeking to overthrow God's appointed authority, etc....This principle of controlling the population would positively affect the economic prosperity of nations, positively affect the health and increase the life expectancy of lawabidding citizens, properly educate the human race, positively affect the family structure, overwhelmingly reduce crime, etc. Every legitimate aspect of the human society would benefit greatly." – Robert T. Lee, "Controlling the World's Population"

Still Waters Revival Books

"….It is the contention of this paper that the historic Presbyterian view of the necessity for the establishment of Presbyterianism as the official religion of every society is the Scriptural view, and it is the task of this paper to demonstrate that truth to the current generation of Christians….Once it has been demonstrated that every society has an established religion, it should not be necessary to ask any Bible-believing Christian which religion should be established. Obviously Christianity is the only acceptable choice because it is the only true religion….However, since there are so many sects that go by the term 'Christianity,' we need to define the 'brand' of Christianity that is to be established….[I]dolatry and blasphemy are crimes as much as murder or theft. All 10 commandments, not just those that deal with interpersonal relations, are to be enforced by the state…. True Presbyterians have always defended every person's liberty of conscience….But liberty of conscience is not absolute….It should be clear now that under a Presbyterian Establishment there will be some form of liberty of conscience, namely, that which is stated in Chapter 20 of the Westminster Confession of Faith. Liberty of conscience is limited, and cannot be used to justify the promotion of idolatry or wickedness….Presbyterianism is Biblical Christianity, and a Presbyterian civil government will be nothing more than civil government conducted strictly according to the Bible. Thus justice will be defined by God and guided by the Scriptures. Those 'religious crimes' which God says must be punished, will be punished, and in the way God stipulates…." – Michael G. Wagner, "A Presbyterian Political Manifesto: Presbyterianism and Civil Government"

True Parents Organization
(the Unification Church)

"My dream is to organize a Christian political party including the Protestant denominations, Catholics and all the religious sects. Then, the communist power will be helpless before ours. We are going to do this because the communists are coming to the political scene. Before the pulpit, all the ministers of the established churches must give their sermon on how to smash or absorb communism – but they are not doing that. We are going to do this. Unless we lay the foundation for this, we cannot carry it out. In the Medieval Ages, they had to separate from the cities – statesmanship from the religious field – because people were corrupted at that time. But when it comes to our age, we must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world. So, we cannot separate the political field from the religious. Democracy was born because people ruled the world, like the Pope does. Then, we come to the conclusion that God has to rule the world, and God loving people have to rule the world – and that is logical. We have to purge the corrupted politicians, and the sons of God must rule the world. The separation between religion and politics is what Satan likes most." – Reverend Sun Myung Moon, "Master Speaks," Third Directors' Conference, May 17, 1973 [Translated by: Mrs. Won Pok Choi]

Editor's Note: It should be obvious that the groups and individuals quoted above do not necessarily agree with one another, and the reader should not infer that a person or organization quoted on this page supports any particular position espoused by other persons or organizations also quoted on this page.


 

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